Monday, April 30, 2012

An Account Of The Very First FIRST VISION Of Joseph Smith

This is an sworn statement, by one of Joseph Smith's acquaintances, who details how Joseph Smith told him how he went into the grove and encountered a TOAD which transformed into a man.  The official First Vision that the Mormons preach today has Joseph Smith meeting Jesus Christ and God.  A little less Fairy Tale than a toad.  But when Mormonism lives or dies based on the First Vision, then Mormonism is a fraud.

In addition to the infamous First Vision, are several accounts of the con-man in Joseph Smith, making promises of silver mines - that weren't there.  Making promises of four foot long gold bars - that weren't there.

Also notice that the "owner" of the infamous Seer stone was Willard Chase, but it was essentially stolen by the Smiths.

I added in line spacings to make reading a lot easier on the eyes, and highlighted some important parts.

Willard Chase Statement on Joseph Smith, Jr.


Manchester, Ontario Co. N. Y. 1833.


I became acquainted with the Smith family, known as the authors of the Mormon Bible, in the year 1820. At that time, they were engaged in the money digging business, which they followed until the latter part of the season of 1827.

In the year 1822, I was engaged in digging a well. I employed Alvin and Joseph Smith to assist me; the latter of whom is now known as the Mormon prophet. After digging about twenty feet below the surface of the earth, we discovered a singularly appearing stone, which excited my curiosity.

I brought it to the top of the well, and as we were examining it, Joseph put it into his hat, and then his face into the top of his hat. It has been said by Smith, that he brought the stone from the well; but this is false.

There was no one in the well but myself. The next morning he came to me, and wished to obtain the stone, alledging that he could see in it; but I told him I did not wish to part with it on account of its being a curiosity, but would lend it.

After obtaining the stone, he began to publish abroad what wonders he could discover by looking in it, and made so much disturbance among the credulous part of community, that I ordered the stone to be returned to me again. He had it in his possession about two years.

 --I believe, some time in 1825, Hiram Smith (brother of Joseph Smith) came to me, and wished to borrow the same stone, alledging that they wanted to accomplish some business of importance, which could not very well be done without the aid of the stone.

I told him it was of no particular worth to me, but merely wished to keep it as a curiosity, and if he would pledge me his word and honor, that I should have it when called for, he might take it; which he did and took the stone. I thought I could rely on his word at this time, as he had made a profession of religion. But in this I was disappointed, for he disregarded both his word and honor.

In the fall of 1826, a friend called upon me and wished to see that stone, about which so much had been said; and I told him if he would go with me to Smith's, (a distance of about half a mile) he might see it. But to my surprize, on going to Smith's, and asking him for the stone, he said, "you cannot have it;" I told him it belonged to me, repeated to him the promise he made me, at the time of obtaining the stone: upon which he faced me with a malignant look and said, "I don't care who in the Devil it belongs to, you shall not have it."
In the month of June, 1827, Joseph Smith, Sen., related to me the following story: "That some years ago, a spirit had appeared to Joseph his son, in a vision, and informed him that in a certain place there was a record on plates of gold, and that he was the person that must obtain them, and this he must do in the following manner:

On the 22d of September, he must repair to the place where was deposited this manuscript, dressed in black clothes, and riding a black horse with a switch tail, and demand the book in a certain name, and after obtaining it, he must go directly away, and neither lay it down nor look behind him. 

They accordingly fitted out Joseph with a suit of black clothes and borrowed a black horse. He repaired to the place of deposit and demanded the book, which was in a stone box, unsealed, and so near the top of the ground that he could see one end of it, and raising it up, took out the book of gold; but fearing some one might discover where he got it, he laid it down to place back the top stone, as he found it; and turning round, to his surprise there was no book in sight.

He again opened the box, and in it saw the book, and attempted to take it out, but was hindered. He saw in the box something like a toad, which soon assumed the appearance of a man, and struck him on the side of his head.

-- Not being discouraged at trifles, he again stooped down and strove to take the book, when the spirit struck him again, and knocked him three or four rods, and hurt him prodigiously. After recovering from his fright, he enquired why he could not obtain the plates; to which the spirit made reply, because you have not obeyed your orders.

He then enquired when he could have them, and was answered thus: come one year from this day, and bring with you your oldest brother, and you shall have them. This spirit, he said was the spirit of the prophet who wrote this book, and who was sent to Joseph Smith, to make known these things to him. Before the expiration of the year, his oldest brother died; which the old man said was an accidental providence!

Joseph went one year from that day, to demand the book, and the spirit enquired for his brother, and he said that he was dead. The spirit then commanded him to come again, in just one year, and bring a man with him. On asking who might be the man, he was answered that he would know him when he saw him.

Joseph believed that one Samuel T. Lawrence was the man alluded to by the spirit, and went with him to a singular looking hill, in Manchester, and shewed him where the treasure was. Lawrence asked him if he had ever discovered any thing with the plates of gold; he said no: he then asked him to look in his stone, to see if there was any thing with them.

He looked, and said there was nothing; he told him to look again, and see if there was not a large pair of specks with the plates; he looked and soon saw a pair of spectacles, the same with which Joseph says he translated the Book of Mormon. Lawrence told him it would not be prudent to let these plates be seen for about two years, as it would make a great disturbance in the neighborhood.

Not long after this, Joseph altered his mind, and said L. was not the right man, nor had he told him the right place. About this time he went to Harmony in Pennsylvania, and formed an acquaintance with a young lady, by the name of Emma Hale, whom he wished to marry. -- In the fall of 1826, he wanted to go to Pennsylvania to be married; but being destitute of means, he now set his wits to work, how he should raise money, and get recommendations, to procure the fair one of his choice.

He went to Lawrence with the following story, as related to me by Lawrence himself. That he had discovered in Pennsylvania, on the bank of the Susquehannah River, a very rich mine of silver, and if he would go there with him, he might have a share in the profits; that it was near high water mark and that they could load it into boats and take it down the river to Philadelphia, to market. Lawrence then asked Joseph if he was not deceiving him; no, said he, for I have been there and seen it with my own eyes, and if you do not find it so when we get there, I will bind myself to be your servant for three years. 

By these grave and fair promises Lawrence was induced to believe something in it, and agreed to go with him. L. soon found that Joseph was out of money, and had to bear his expenses on the way. When they got to Pennsylvania, Joseph wanted L. to recommend him to Miss H., which he did, although he was asked to do it; but could not well get rid of it as he was in his company. L. then wished to see the silver mine, and he and Joseph went to the river, and made search, but found nothing. Thus, Lawrence had his trouble for his pains, and returned home lighter than he went, while Joseph had got his expenses borne, and a recommendation to his girl.

Joseph's next move was to get married; the girl's parents being opposed to the match: as they happened to be from home, he took advantage of the opportunity, and went off with her and was married.

Now, being still destitute of money, he set his wits at work, how he should get back to Manchester, his place of residence; he hit upon the following plan, which succeeded very well. 

He went to an honest old Dutchman, by the name of Stowel, and told him that he had discovered on the bank of Black River, in the village of Watertown, Jefferson County, N.Y. a cave, in which he had found a bar of gold, as big as his leg, and about three or four feet long. --That he could not get it out alone, on account of its being fast at one end; and if he would move him to Manchester, N.Y. they would go together, and take a chisel and mallet, and get it, and Stowel should share the prize with him. Stowel moved him.

A short time after their arrival at Manchester, Stowel reminded Joseph of his promise; but he calmly replied, that he would not go, because his wife was now among strangers, and would be very lonesome if he went away. Mr. Stowel was then obliged to return without any gold, and with less money than he came.
In the fore part of September, (I believe,) 1827, the Prophet requested me to make him a chest, informing me that he designed to move back to Pennsylvania, and expecting soon to get his gold book, he wanted a chest to lock it up, giving me to understand at the same time, that if I would make the chest he would give me a share in the book.

I told him my business was such that I could not make it: but if he would bring the book to me, I would lock it up for him. He said that would not do, as he was commanded to keep it two years, without letting it come to the eye of any one but himself.

This commandment, however, he did not keep, for in less than two years, twelve men said they had seen it. I told him to get it and convince me of its existence, and I would make him a chest; but he said, that would not do, as he must have a chest to lock the book in, as soon as he took it out of the ground. I saw him a few days after, when he told me that I must make the chest. I told him plainly that I could not, upon which he told me that I could have no share in the book.

A few weeks after this conversation, he came to my house, and related the following story: That on the 22d of September, he arose early in the morning, and took a one horse wagon, of some one that had stayed over night at their house, without leave or license; and, together with his wife, repaired to the hill which contained the book. He left his wife in the wagon, by the road, and went alone to the hill, a distance of thirty or forty rods from the road; he said he then took the book out of the ground and hid it in a tree top, and returned home.

He then went to the town of Macedon to work. After about ten days, it having been suggested that some one had got his book, his wife went after him; he hired a horse, and went home in the afternoon, staid long enough to drink one cup of tea, and then went for his book, found it safe, took off his frock, wrapt it round it, put it under his arm and run all the way home, a distance of about two miles. 

He said he should think it would weigh sixty pounds, and was sure it would weigh forty. On his return home, he said he was attacked by two men in the woods, and knocked them both down and made his escape, arrived safe and secured his treasure. -- He then observed that if it had not been for that stone, (which he acknowledged belonged to me,) he would not have obtained the book.

A few days afterwards, he told one of my neighbors that he had not got any such book, nor never had such an one; but that he had told the story to deceive the d---d fool, (meaning me,) to get him to make a chest.

His neighbors having become disgusted with his foolish stories, he determined to go back to Pennsylvania, to avoid what he called persecution. His wits were now put to the task to contrive how he should get money to bear his expenses.

He met one day in the streets of Palmyra, a rich man, whose name was Martin Harris, and addressed him thus; "I have a commandment from God to ask the first man I meet in the street to give me fifty dollars, to assist me in doing the work of the Lord by translating the Golden Bible."

Martin being naturally a credulous man, hands Joseph the money. In the Spring 1829, Harris went to Pennsylvania, and on his return to Palmyra, reported that the Prophet's wife, in the month of June following would be delivered of a male child that would be able when two years old to translate the Gold Bible. Then, said he, you will see Joseph Smith, Jr. walking through the streets of Palmyra, with a Gold Bible under his arm, and having a gold breast-plate on, and a gold sword hanging by his side. This, however, by the by, proved false.

In April, 1830, I again asked Hiram for the stone which he had borrowed of me; he told me I should not have it, for Joseph made use of it in translating his Bible. I reminded him of his promise, and that he had pledged his honor to return it; but he gave me the lie, saying the stone was not mine nor never was. Harris at the same time flew in a rage, took me by the collar and said I was a liar, and he could prove it by twelve witnesses. 

After I had extricated myself from him, Hiram, in a rage shook his fist at me, and abused me in a most scandalous manner. Thus I might proceed in describing the character of these High Priests, by relating one transaction after another, which would all tend to set them in the same light in which they were regarded by their neighbors, viz: as a pest to society.

I have regarded Joseph Smith Jr. from the time I first became acquainted with him until he left this part of the country, as a man whose word could not be depended upon.

-- Hiram's character was but very little better. What I have said respecting the characters of these men, will apply to the whole family. What I have stated relative to the characters of these individuals, thus far, is wholly true. After they became thorough Mormons, their conduct was more disgraceful than before.

They did not hesitate to abuse any man, no matter how fair his character, provided he did not embrace their creed. Their tongues were continually employed in spreading scandal and abuse. Although they left this part of the country without paying their just debts, yet their creditors were glad to have them do so, rather than to have them stay, disturbing the neighborhood.

Signed,


WILLARD CHASE.


On the 11th December, 1833, the said Willard Chase appeared before me, and made oath that the foregoing statement to which he has subscribed his name, is true, according to his best recollection and belief.


FRED'K. SMITH,

Justice of the Peace of Wayne County.

So we can see the true nature of the Mormons.  Beginning on a scam to make money, and continuing to this day to make money, an elaborate "religious" pyramid scheme.

Sunday, April 29, 2012

Mormon Identity Theft Keeps Them Far From Christ

Jesus said to her:  "I am the resurrection and the life.  He who believes in me will live, even though he dies;

and whoever lives and believes in me will never die.  Do you believe this?"
John 11:26-27 NIV

Identity theft is common place in today's society.  Many companies offer credit protection to give us all some piece of mind.  But identity theft IS NOT a modern problem.

Jesus Christ has suffered from Identity Theft.  In 1820 a fourteen year old boy, Joseph Smith, put into motion a series of events which resulted in the founding of the Mormon cult.  Initially Smith called his cult the Church of Christ (identity theft).  Four years later removing Christ's name, but after a failure of missionary efforts being turned away from not being Christian, Smith changed the name to what the cult is known by today:  The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, (identity theft).

In 1981, again after a failing missionary program, with more and more people stating that Mormons aren't Christians, in a propaganda marketing ploy, the Mormons added "Another Testament of Jesus Christ" to the Book of Mormon (identity theft).

But just because a cult steals Christ's identity, and names it's cult after Jesus Christ; does that make the cult Christian?

No!  No more so than if someone stole your identity, racked up credit card debt in your name, purchased a car in your name; that doesn't make the thief you.

What is the danger of Identity Theft in Christianity?

John 11:26-27 only applies if you believe in the REAL Jesus Christ.  Not a Jesus Christ based on identity theft.

Are you guaranteed salvation if you follow the Mormon identity theft Christ?

No!  There is only one Jesus Christ, and his gospels are found in the New Testament, not the Book of Mormon.  No matter how much the identity thieves try to sell you on Mormons being Christians.

Do we have any credit monitoring companies for Christ's name?

Yes.  Galatians Chapter 1:1-9 - Paul explains the dangers of following a false gospel, and warns that many false prophets will appear.  But the danger is being "accursed," to go up after death, and to be told by our Savior "I know you not."

Beware of false prophets and identity thieves.

Saturday, April 28, 2012

Mormons Have Problem With Deciding If They Follow Christ Or Not

To believe Mormonism, one has to read Joseph Smith's First Vision story. But to save you the long boredom: Joseph Smith, as a 14 year old, didn't want to work on the family farm, so he went up into the woods to play.

All of a sudden a bright light appeared, and God and Jesus Christ materialized in front of him. A real historical occasion since this is the first recorded time that God materialized in human form in front of a human. Even Moses, serving God for over forty years, never was allowed to cast his eyes on God.

This was 1820 according to the official Mormon Church's version of the First Vision.

It wasn't until twelve years after 1820 that Joseph Smith actually put pen to paper. So in 1832 the first version of the First Vision story was written, but in the first version as written by Joseph Smith, in the woods of New York, a 14 year old Joseph was only met by Jesus Christ.

Three years later another version of the First Vision was printed in 1835, and this is the first time that Joseph Smith was visited by God and Jesus Christ in the woods of New York, along with several angels.

So it took eighteen years to "perfect" the First Vision story which evolved from just Jesus Christ, to two unnamed personages, to turning those two personages into God and Jesus Christ.

But at the same time, there was much confusion in the church that Jesus Christ restored on earth through a 14 year old con-man, Joseph Smith.

In 1830, two years before Version One of the First Vision (Jesus Only), the Book of Mormon specified in 3 Nephi 26:21 that the name of the church restored on earth was to be the Church of Christ, so the Joseph's cult was established as the Church of Christ.

That only lasted four years though, when for unknown reasons Sydney Rigdon was inspired to convince Joseph Smith to change the name of the church. Joseph, God's Mormon prophet on earth, given the Church of Christ name be divine inspiration - decided to remove Christ's name based on a "mortal" man's opinion.

So now, in 1834 the Mormon Church is now officially the Church of Latter-day Saints.

But nothing in Mormonville ever lasts, four more years have passed and God's church has to change it's name for a third time.

In 1838 The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints have arrived.

Christ's name of removed from the cult's name, and between 1834 through 1838 the Missionaries were probably having trouble "selling" the Book of Mormon as a Christian religion. So what do you do? You put Christ's name back on the cult.

One can take a cheap generic soda, and paint PEPSI on it; it doesn't make it Pepsi, it will still be a cheap imitation.

But it is easier to "sell" a cult if people can be misled into believing it is just a newer version of Christianity.

Ending with the keystone of Mormonism, the Book of Mormon. There are over three thousand documented changes to the "most perfect book" in the world, as Mormons like to claim.

But it was in 1981 that a major change occurred. The Book of Mormon was changed to be: The Book of Mormon, Another Testament of Jesus Christ.

Just a subtle marketing tool, like adding Christ's name back into the cult's name in 1838. People will be more willing to listen to "another Testament of Jesus Christ," than just a cult's Book of Mormon.

So how much credibility does a "church" have when it's First Vision story changes drastically over an eighteen year period? Changes in name three times in eight years - no longer following their own "scripture" to be the Church of Christ.

Christ's Gospels spell out Christianity rather clear. Sure, there have been problems with man inputting their own beliefs when translating the original manuscripts, and each version of the Bible has subtle differences.

But when you line up any copy of the New Testament, with the Book of Mormon - Christianity can be found in the New Testament.

The Book of Mormon is a work of fiction.

Joseph Smith was a terrible con-man, who found out religion "sells" easier.

Cults are based on power and sex - Joe was in command of the Mormons, literally in Nauvoo as Commander of the Nauvoo Legion, and sex - over thirty wives. OK, I credit him with at least marrying each woman he had sex with - a little better than David Koresh.

Just because Christ's name is in the cult's name - doesn't make Mormons Christians.

I can see why Mormons are trying so hard to prove that Mormons are Christians.  With their White Horse Prophecy candidate riding towards the Oval Office, Mormons have a lot riding on being accepted as Christians.

So Romney if you want to run for office; fine. But you have to run as a Mormon, because Mormons are far from Christian.

But if a Mormon wants to become a Christian, it isn't a difficult process.

1.  Renounce The Book of Mormon, the Utah Prophets, and Mormon doctrines.

2.  Accept the true Christ as your Lord and Savior.

3.  Repent of your sins.

4.  Any New Testament based church will be glad to welcome back into Christ's fold.

Friday, April 27, 2012

10 Lies That Mormon Missionaries Tell

This entry is a link to the article, of ten lies that Missionaries tell, as described by a former Missionary himself:

Ten Lies That Mormon Missionaries Tell

As an added special from me.

It is well known that Mormon Temple ceremonies are based on Masonic ceremonies.  Equally well known is that Joseph Smith was a Mason.

What is little known, is that Joseph Smith and all the Mormon Masons were kicked out of the Masons because Joe's ego was huge:  Overnight he promoted himself from the lowest level of Mason, to the top Mason level - on his own.

Delusions of grandeur is a mental illness symptom, and are as dangerous as hallucinations,which Joseph suffered from too - it is common for hallucinations to produce "religious" images, like seeing a man over the Altar at the Temple, or Jesus and God in the woods, or other images of religious figures when getting baptized.

But let us remember, the first edition of the First Vision included a Toad turning into a man giving Joe the Gold Plate lecture.  A later revision changed the Toad to two personages, without Joe identifying who the personages were. Much later in Mormon life, the two personages evolved into Jesus and God.

Mormons are good story tellers, if it wasn't for all of the sex abuse by Missionaries, Bishops, and Sunday School Teachers, they could read stories at the library for community service.  If in doubt just Google sexual abuse, sex offense, arrests, mormons, LDS and see the results.

Who is safer around your kids?  Mormons or Catholic priests?

Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Mormon Hierarchy - How High Up Is Romney?

How High Up Is Mitt Romney:  The Very Top.


From the top:


The Top Layer are Mormons with Pioneer Ancestors.  This is where Mormon Romney is, it can't get higher.  He can be elevated to Apostle or the First Presidency.

The next highest is the Elite White Boy Only Club.  Most, but not all EWBOC members have ancestors that were Pioneers.  That is why this is a sub-level of the very top.  The EWBOC can be Apostles or members of the First Presidency.

Returned Missionaries.  If you are not a Returned Missionary, you will forever be in the lower caste of the Mormon cult.  This is the "Mormon Glass Ceiling" where adult converts hit.

Temple Worthy.  You have been granted the priviledge of attending the Mormon Temple, you have shown faith by paying your 10% tithes.  Temple Worthy Mormons are better than the other lesser Mormons, and is the first sign of moving into a different chaste level.

New Converts.  Still of questionable faith, are under watch to see on church attendance, participation in church functions, paying tithing, working with Missionaries to target your friends and neighbors with the Book of Mormon by the missionaries.

Investigators.  The Mormon Cult can only thrive with new blood coming in.   Investigators are listening to the Missionaries, and if any hint of anti-Mormonism creeps in, the Missionaries move on to anothe prospect.  That is why Missionaries make such good Multi Level Marketing thugs - they understand it takes 1,000 "no" to get to one "maybe."

Dishonored Missionaries.  Their "sins" not sufficient to warrant ex-communication, but they were sufficient to be sent home from Mission.  Equivalent to a soldier leaving the field of battle, forever marked as a coward, or as a dishonored, disgraced Missionaries; an embarrassment to their family.

The Ex-Communicated.  The lucky ones to get kicked out of the cult.

Tuesday, April 24, 2012

Romney - Draft Dodging, Racism, Chasing Ann

The embedded video covers several topics:

Romney ran away from the Vietnam War to do "Missionary Work" in France.

(Now he stayed thirty months, when 24 months is typical, but then Daddy couldn't have him come home early and qualify for the draft again).

Romney receives a Dear John letter from Ann, who is now attending BYU and dating the second most eligible Mormon on BYU.

Romney returns from his mission, forthwith, the attend BYU and save Ann.

Romney at BYU supported the racist policies of the Mormon church and BYU, especially when it came to the collegiate boycott of BYU athletics because of Mormon racist policies.

A Man of integrity?  or just chasing tail?  Remember, Mitt left Stanford because he was spending too much money to visit Ann as often as possible, so his studies suffered, which meant his draft eligibility became a question.

But no worry, Daddy saved Romney and sent him to France to be a missionary - it is nice to be both politically connected, and Mormon connected, when leaving Stanford would have eliminated the draft deferment from Romney = but we never claimed the Flipper was smart, just horny.

Friday, April 20, 2012

What Constitutes Being A Nazi Mormon

This is a re-print of a 2/12/2012 posting, but I felt it proper to repost to highlight this type of Mormon.

Here is the full link, Five Kinds Of Mormons by Robert Kirby, below is just an excerpt:

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Nazi Mormons believe that BYU is not only Gods university, but that He is somehow also an alumnus. Nazi Mormons hang flags, wear badges, and sport license plates, all adorned with a block letter "Y"-known in LM circles as the "Mormon swastika".

Five years in the cult, and if I had a dollar for every mention or display of BYU, I'd be a millionaire without having to put people out of work.  Reminded me of my Army days, when in one Troop for almost a year, the Captain and three of the Lieutenants were West Point, and that was all they talked about, to the point of ostracizing the lone non-West Pointer Lt.

NMs are prone to long winded and weepy testimony meeting claims about things that cannot be proven either in the world of science, logic, or even the scriptures. Roughly 45 percent of testimony meetings, Church-wide, are taken up by the NMs, claiming they were spared a particular trial by virtue of their garments, a rolled up copy of the Ensign, or the influence of a junior high school seminary teacher.
I quit going to Testimony Meeting.  It seemed that all it really entailed was telling everyone some "story" of how God intervened and saved them, God whispered to take a different road, God whispered and said you are almost out of gas, God whispered and said if you want to get out of the garage with the door opener broken, used the tire jack - I guess that garage didn't have a regular door.

I escaped from the fire, with burns only where my garments didn't cover - - I think they have some website to look up for testimony examples.

Tears, tears, and more tears.

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NMs pay tithing based on their gross income, including the things they receive from the bishop's storehouse. NMs are also big on blessings-not so much the actual blessing itself but rather the attendant sub-ordinance of telling everyone about it.

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NMs not only believe everything a general authority utters, they will frequently take these counsels and improve on them. For example, if no single dating until the age of sixteen is good, no single dating until eighteen is even better.

Well, that statement is true,until the General Authority's statement becomes an embarrassement, even if it is the Prophet - then the disclaimers come -  they don't speak for the cult, even though they are high mucky mucks, their statements, if they embarrass us as Mormons, are not enlightened - - but until they are embarrassing, it carries more weight than Moses gave to the Ten Commandments.

Funny how even statements by the Prophet show he isn't enlightened.  For an official statement from the prophet to be official revelation it has to be announced as a revelation, reviewed by the Apostles, then announced to the cult.  Funny that the Prophet has to answer to the twelve apostles, when the prophets of the Old Testament, and New Testament (John the Baptist) answered only to God.

Imitative to a fault, NMs are prone to adopting what is known as "the general authority lilt" when offering prayers or testimonies. While apparently an imitative effort to sound spiritual, in reality it merely serves to make them sound like Fred Flintstone with his calling and election made sure.

Definition of lilt - not an often used term - a live and cheerful manner of speaking.

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The author is using NAZI in the sense that one follows a Supreme Leader blindly, the Supreme Leader can do no wrong. These are the dangerous members of the Cult of Mormonism.

Tuesday, April 17, 2012

Change The Mormon Tax Status

A 501c3 tax exemption allows for the donations to be tax-deductable, and the donations to the church to be tax-exempt.  So $100 donated provides for a $100 deduction for the contributor, and the full $100 to be used by the church.

A very flimsy line is drawn as to how much money can be spent on political, legislative agendas.  With the PROP 8 campaign, the Mormons have clearly overstepped this line, and called out "what the hell you gonna do about it?"

Petition to change the 501c3 status of the Mormon church empire to 501c4.  This changes tax exempt status of the donations by the contributors.  Now, a $100 donation, would be like money spent at McDonald's - the contributor would receive no tax benefit from it.  The Mormon church under 501c4 would have the same status of most of the PACs out there - the church would still be a non-profit, and could then legally play lobbyist.

The First Amendment does not guarantee that a church will be a 501c3.  That designation is determined by the IRS based on the Mormons behavior, how much it is spending versus on how much it brought it - we don't know those numbers - Mormons are secretive about their finances.

Again, secrecy is OK, but it doesn't rate a 501c3 status.

Mormons want to legislative and run petitions to overturn same-sex marriage laws, then Mormons don't need the 501c3 status.

The first step is to guage the "need" with an online petition.

When Mormon tax-exempt status was threatened in 1978 by the Carter Administration, all of a sudden, the Mormon God said, let those blacks have priesthoods, they are after the money.  So when the money is attacked, Mormons will behave.

Online Petition To Change Tax Exempt Status of Mormons

Thursday, April 12, 2012

Romney Justifies His Flip-Flops On 1 Corinthians 9:19-27

Many reporters, many bloggers, many regular people are all talking about Mitt's Flip-Flops in his campaign for President.

Interesting to learn is that Mitt's campaign strategy is based on the Apostle Paul's First Corinthians, which Mitt is using as a playbook the way many business people use Sun Tzu's Art of War as a blue print.

Though I  am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible.  (1 Cor 9:19 NIV)

Various newspapers have reported how Mitt changed his position on abortion to garner more votes.  Of course, he cleared this strategy with the Mormon elite first in Salt Lake City.  Mitt was running for Senate against Senator Ted Kennedy, and his Mormon Pro-Life position was working against him.  So Mitt changed appearances to win the Pro-Choice votes.  He made "himself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible."

This didn't of course mean that Mitt Romney was really Pro-Choice, just another wolf in sheep's clothing.

To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews.  To those under the law I became like one under the law (although I myself am not under the law), so asto win those under the law. (1 Cor 9:20 NIV)

To the Second Amendment voters, Romney is a 'hunter,' although it has been reported that Romney doesn't even own a gun.  Maybe for a Republican that is good though; Cheney shoot enough people 'accidentally' for disagreeing with him on hunts.

To the gay marriage proponents, Romney while governor took on the cloak of the LGBT movement, appearing to be their friends; then come along the National Organization for Marriage, and Prop 8.

To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law.  (1 Cor 9:21 NIV)

To the Pro-Choice voters, Romney appeared as a Pro-Choice candidate, and will justify his position as a change in view; which is hard to image a high-ranking Mormon like Romney, would really be anything other than the Mormon Pro-Life candidate.

To the weak I became weak, to win the weak.  I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some.  (1 Cor 9:22)

To wins souls to Christ, especially in Paul's day performing missionary work in the Gentile world, I can see where Paul would have to be a shape-shifter to appear as one he is preaching to.  But do we want a politician who will say whatever it takes, to steal a vote?  Because that is what Romney is doing when he says he is Pro-Choice; but he isn't.  He hopes some voter is uninformed enough to vote for him based on his one position statement, which isn't sincere.

To win souls to Christ, to be concerned about a person's salvation, and "twisting" the truth, like the Mormon Missionaries do, isn't ethical.  Biblically based, but not ethical for politics.  Surely if Mormon Romney in France as a Missionary lied to a French man/woman just to get them baptized; surely those individuals wouldn't be in the Mormon cult still today.

I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in it's blessings.  (1 Cor 9:23 NIV)

Romney is doing all of this, so that he can win the reward of being crowned an Apostle in the Mormon cult after he successfully completes the mission of being a two-term proxy for Mormon President, Prophet Thomas Monson.

Do you not know that in a race all the runner's run, but only one gets the prize?  Run in such a way as to get the prize.  (1 Cor 9:24 NIV)

In order to fulfill the White Horse Prophecy, Paul is telling Romney to keep his eye on the prize; the Oval Office.

Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training.  They do it to get to a crown that will not last; but we do it to get a crown that will last forever.  (1 Cor 9:25)

Two crowns; one won't last, one will.  The first crown in the race is the Oval Office which only lasts from four to eight years.  The second crown is an Apostleship in the Mormon cult.

Strict training, reshaping his image in his run for Governor, and his run for Senate.  Learning from each election, and how to "compromise" his Mormon faith on issues like Pro-Choice - but since it was a fake position only his faith wasn't compromised, just his integrity.

Therefore, I do not run like a man running aimlessly; I do not fight like a man beating the air.  (1 Cor 9:26 NIV)

The Romneys are a pioneer Mormon family, who have an ancestor who was an Apostle. Mitt's goal is to become an Apostle, which will be his "reward" after successfully serving two terms in the White House. The American Presidency is just a stepping stone to get there.

No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.  (1 Cor 9:27 NIV)

"I will not be disqualified for the prize," that truly sums up Romney's attitude and his drive to win the White House, whether is takes lying about the jobless rates of women since Obama took office, lying about his position on Pro-Life, refusing to discuss the influence of the Mormon Cult on his "presidency." 

What ever it takes.

Mormon Morality.

Sorry Mitt, I don't see an honest, faithful Christian - I see a Mormon who would say anything to get the White House, and push the Book of Mormon.



Romney comes from the top of the Mormon Pyramid.  You don't have a higher Mormon pedigree when you have a Pioneer family history, an ancestor who was an Apostle.  You have to watch out for the Elite White Boys Only Club (EWBOC).

Saturday, April 7, 2012

Mormons INSIST their divorce rate is 6%: Experts have it at 24%: Why Must Mormons Lie?

BYU Appears To Be LGBT-Tolerant

A funny thing happened on the way to the "market" today.  I started off reading more dis-information coming out of Bigot Young University over their tolerance to LGBT members on their Bigot campus, under the "Do Ask, Do Tell, Don't Do" Tolerance Policy.  Reading through the comment section on one of the blogs, I came across someone blowing the horn of Mormon Morality.

Utah Number One In Anti-Depressant Use

So, while I was already aware, that on a per-capita basis, Utah has the distinction of having the highest use of anti-depressants.  But with doctor patient confidentiality, we are left to choose which side of the fence uses the meds.  With Mormons roughly 50% of the state's population, we could attribute half the anti-depressants to Mormons, and half to non-Mormons.

Or, the Mormons would say they have the gospel, and are happy, and don't need the anti-depressants.  So they attribute one hundred percent of the anti-depressants to non-Mormons not being happy with their sinful lives.  (Maybe depressed from having pesty little Leave It To Beaver, mini-Pope wanna-bes knocking on their doors "selling" Mormonism.)

Then to be fair, there are those of us who say the Mormon women are using all of the anti-depressants.  They are trapped in Mormonism, where women are devalued, opinions aren't welcomed, ordinations aren't allowed, they are expected to pop out babies faster than a harvest.  They can't trust any other Mormon woman with information that they aren't happy with life, having been a stay at home Mom, and no idea how to survive outside of Mormonism.  That is definitely a sign of future anti-depressant use.

Utah Tied For First With Mississippi In The Most Use Of Internet Pornography

The statistics on the anti-depressants were tied to the statistics on the use of Pornography.  Guess what?  Utah leads the nation, well tied with Mississippi in accessing pornography. Now the professor that conducted the survey had to base the survey on joining pornography sites where registration by credit card is provided, and with a broadband connection.  The study recognizes that there are many free pornography sites that require no registration, but the paid viewing shows people willing to spend roughly $20 to $40 per month to belong to just one site.

Just FYI, the porn rate for Utah was 5.47 per 1,000; the lowest state was Montana at 1.92 per 1,000; the national average was 3.6/1,000.

The study by a Harvard Professor of Economics, Benjamin Edelman, published in the Journal of Economic Perspectives, concluded that residents of Utah purchase online pornography at a higher rate than the rest of the nation; even though they portray themselves as wholesome, family oriented people.

To supplement the professors report, a Deseret News Reporter, Lee Davidson, in 2007 conducted his own study on search terms, and found that people in Utah search "topless," and "pornography" just as often as "Jesus Christ," and "home storage."

Dr Theresa A Martinez, Professor of Sociology at the University of Utah, commented on the Utah pornography study and said:  "The forbidden is really tempting where you have a culture that is known for family values, morality and apple pie, you will have curiosity and interest in the forbidden."

But then maybe gobangla.hubpages.com says it best:

"When it comes to porn use, the religious only consume less on Sundays."

Mormon Professor Judd Modifies Mormon Divorce Rate From 24% to 6%
(That is that "new" BYU mathematics that Mormons are taught)

This brings me to the big Mormon lie that the Mormon Divorce rate is 6%, when it is really 24%?

And to use the actual Barna Research Report that shows the Mormon divorce rate is 24%, but then to go on and quote the report on Baptists, Atheists, Agnostics, and others, but offer the "Mormon Morality" statistic on Mormon divorces.

The Barna Research report comes from a company that coined the term "theolographics," they specialize in religous polls, with over twenty five years experience.

The sample size was just under 4,000 with a margin of error of +/- 2 percent.

Before Romney's Mormons Mormonized the report, Barna reported:

Divorce Rates for:
  • 34% - non-denominational religions
  • 29% - Baptists
  • 27% - born-again christians
  • 24% - Mormons
  • 21% - Atheists/Agnostics
This is just a sampling of the entire report.  But the National Average is 24% - the same as for Mormons.

The Serpent beguiled Eve, like the Mormons beguile non-Mormons with their high and mighty arrogance.  So the Mormons found a professor from Bigot Young University, Daniel K Judd, to present a tarnished version of the divorce rates among religions report.

Mormon Judd's tarnished summary is:  6% of Mormons who marry in the Temple, subsequently get a divorce (unsealing) in the Temple.  And then this report is quoted by all other TBM as:

"The Mormons have a divorce rate of only 6 percent, compared to the national average of 24 percent, so our family values must be doing something right."

Propaganda by any other name is a report from a BYU professor.

Growing up watching the evening news, I was raised on the saying "figures don't lie, but liars figure."  and that is a true statement.

So how do the Mormons produce 6% out of 24% - divide by 4?  If it was that easy.

Manipulate the data, by adding "variables."

The 6% is based on Mormons Married in the Temple, who get a Temple Divorce (unsealing).

So there are Mormons who only have civil marriages, and don't go to the Temple for whatever reason, and get a civil divorce - - Mormon Judd wouldn't count those numbers, it would SKEW the results.

And then there are the Mormons married in the Temple, who don't get a Temple Divorce, but go for only a civil divorce.  Mormon Judd doesn't count those - it'll SKEW the results.

Mormons who get married in the Temple, get a civil divorce, and then the MAN remarries in the Temple, is counted as Marriages TWO, Divorces ZERO, by Mormon Judd.  It has been mentioned in several blogs that men can still get "polygamy" marriages in the Temples, if they have a civil divorce, and it is within scripture.  Women, need to get a Temple divorce before they can get another Temple Marriage.

The final category, since the opposite of 6% divorce rate, is 94% still married rate assumption.  With the stigma of a Mormon divorce, how many married Mormons are really separated, and not living in the same household.

So it is easy to divide 24% by 4 to get a 6% we Mormons are better than you Divorce Rates.

Pride - isn't pride a sin?

"The survey found that Mormons, who emphasize strong families, are near the national average of 24%"  as reported by The Associated Press on December 30,1999.

So when the True Blue Mormons on the internet tell a person to go to the Mormon cult's official websites, to visit a Mormon cult service, or talk to a Mormon missionary to get the answers to their questions and concerns about Mormons:

Remember:

Mormon Morality allows Mormons to lie if it is to cover up an embarrassment of the cult - don't air the cult's dirty laundry in public position.

As we have shown:

A 25 year old company specializing in religious polls, with no set agenda for any particular faith, places Mormon divorces at 24%, which is the national average.

Mormon Defenders of the Fake, quote Mormon Judd, a BYU "educator" manipulating the data to produce the Mormon statistic of 6%.

Hannah, a commenter on topix.com to Defend the Faith quotes the 6% statistic:  after acknowledging that Barna reports 24% for Mormons, Hannah rants:  " . . . However, there is one exception:  Mormon Temple marriages.  Those Mormons that marry in the Temple have only 6% divorce rate."

A report on Mormon Divorce rates on edivorcepapers.com concurs with the Mormon Math Magic:

The authenticity of this number is endorsed by another survey conducted by the National Survey of Families and Households. As per this survey, it was found that in case of both non-Mormons and Mormons, 26 percent of all individuals go through minimum 1 divorce during the lifetime.

Joseph Smith, The First Vision, Gold Plates, Blacks and Priesthood, Gay-Friendly Prop 8, sure is hard keeping track of lies - keeping track of Mormon truths is easier, it doesn't require pen or paper.

If Catholics used Mormon mathematics, the Catholics would find a professor to lose his integrity, and produce a modified report on Catholic Marriages and Divorce that only counts a divorce as official if the couple 'annuls' the marriage properly within the Catholic Church.

Knowing that the Catholic Church rarely grants annulments

Divorce and the Latter Day Saints: www.religioustolerance.org

LDS Divorce Rate At The National Average: www.mormonstoday.com

The Barna Group

BYU "Professor" Daniel Judd's Divorce Rates In Question: www.edivorcepapers.com

Mormon Propaganda spreads "Prof" Judd's Magic 6 Percent: www.adherents.com

Mormon Magic Math "Professor" Daniel K Judd

Mormon FAIR Defends Judd's Mormon Magic Math As Legitimate  A commenter on the FAIR's blog writes: 

"Anne Says:      September 13th, 2008 at 1:14 am I’ve wondered about this from time to time. I’m civilly divorced,and have been for four years, but my sealing has not been broken because I haven’t met anyone to remarry and therefore set the process in action. As far as my records in the ward are concerned, I am still married. In fact, my ward has more divorced single parents than it does married couples."

Anne has more divorced single parents than in her ward than it does married couples, but her Temple  Marriage Record wasn't unsealed, so the Mormon records, aka Mormon Parrot Daniel K Judd, doesn't count her as being divorced.

Mormon Magic Math - Daniel K Judd - the Defender of the Fake.  Anyone but me wonder if  an online degree from the Caribbean Islands is worth more than a BYU degree?

I am sure that the Catholics can perform Magic Vatican Math on Catholic divorce rates and be under 4 percent, if Catholics ONLY considered Catholics married in the Catholic Church, and divorces that were officially annulled by the Catholic Church.  Annullments are not easy to obtain, so many Catholics do get a civil divorce, and re-marry, outside the Catholic Church since they are still 'married' unless annulled.

Figures don't lie, but Judd figures.

BYU's purpose in life seems to be to act as the Propaganda Ministry, offer "professors" to offer scholarly positions, to give legitimacy to Mormon issues, whether it is lying about research into the Book of Mormon, Mormon History, or Divorce Rates.

Why must a Mormon constantly lie to push their "religion" and it's brillance, and it's family happiness on the world?

Why must Romney attempt to turn America into a larger version of the picture perfect Mormon Utah; high use of anti=depressants, high use of online pornography, and falsifying divorce rates to attract "couples" to their cult to have a "thriving" marriage.


"I Know The Book Of Mormon Is True," as TRUE as these BYU-approved Divorce rates of Mormons.

Mormon Morality.

Friday, April 6, 2012

Why MUST Romney Always Lie? Mormons Are Trained In Deceptive Tactics

Lying To The Lord - Multimedia Section: Mormon

[Robert] Millet speaks about how to handle the tough anti-Mormon questions missionaries may face while on their missions or afterward.

"We never provide meat when milk will do."

"We seek to answer any serious question by finding the most direct route to the Sacred Grove."
From the Multimedia Section:  Mormon: 



"Don't answer the question they ask, answer the question they should have asked."

This quote is from a video:  http://www.mormonwiki.org/Lying_for_the_Lord

Now what is interesting is the introduction of the mormonwiki article which for ease of reading I'll include the link but paste several paragraphs:

The mormonwiki article Lying For The Lord:

"What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery, and having seven wives, when I can only find one. I am the same man, and as innocent as I was fourteen years ago; and I can prove them all perjurers. I labored with these apostates myself until I was out of all manner of patience." - Joseph Smith [1]  "Address of the Prophet—His Testimony Against the Dissenters at Nauvoo", delivered Sunday, May 26, 1844. Printed in History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 408-412. Available at UTLM.org. The quote is significant when one considers that Smith secretly had thirty wives at the time of the address (cf. a partial listing with dates at FamilySearch.org).

One of the biggest lies, and the Mormon Missionaries will insist, if forced, that Joseph Smith, Jr. only had one wife:  EMMA.  But he had over thirty something wives, some extremely young, others older.

When confronted with the truth, and a forced to deal with the issue, Mormons will bring up that many women "sealed" themselves (married) Joseph Smith after he died. However, many documents exist that detail the names, age, and "wedding" dates of the multiple wives of Joseph Smith.

Why do Mormons portray polygamy as originating with Brigham Young?  Easier to lie that way.
 "Even sharing the truth can have the effect of lying when we tell only half-truths that do not give the full picture. We can also be guilty of bearing false witness and lying if we say nothing, particularly if we allow another to reach a wrong conclusion while we hold back information that would have led to a more accurate perception. In this case it is as though an actual lie were uttered." - Robert J. Matthews[3]  Robert J. Matthews, Ensign, October 1994, p. 54
A perfect example of having "the paperwork in order."  On paper Mormons are downright honest people.  Action though speak louder than words.  Mr. Matthews was just putting the "company line" out there on the record for future use.  The White House in Intelligence Operations coined the term:  Plausible Deniability.  The Mormons are very adapted to using Plausible Deniability.
"In matters of honesty, there are no shortcuts; no little white lies, or big black lies, only the simple, honest truth spoken in total candor... Being true is different than being honest.” - Gordon B. Hinckley[4]  Gordon B. Hinckley in “13th Article, simple yet powerful,” Church News, September 22, 2007, p.3
"Being TRUE is different than being honest."  What a strange use of words.  Being True:  Being a committed and faithful Mormon, with no doubts.  So the 'prophet' says it is OK to be TRUE, in fact Mormons strive to be TRUE; and doing so means you won't necessarily be honest to 'outsiders.'

Watch the Presidential Primary Debates carefully again, and you will see the training of Robert Millet being used:  "Don't answer the question they ask, answer the question they should have asked."

Even on live interviews, Mitt, when confronted with a troubling question, whether it be on politics, economy, defense, or Mormonism, changes the question in him mind and answers HIS question instead.  ANSWER THE QUESTION THEY SHOULD HAVE ASKED.

Robert Millet continues his training in how and why Mormons lie:

 We really aren’t obligated to answer everyone’s questions."

He goes on to say, "We never provide meat when milk will do", and,

This milk/meat lie is what caused me to have doubts of Mormonism within the first two years.  I received a call from the Mom and she was confronted at work about Mormons believig that they can become GODs.  She was so upset and worried that she called from work immediately.

I never heard that concept, and I told my Mom that the person was mistaken.  But my curiosity led me to begin to investigate if Mormons believe that they become GODS.

The internet provided fast answers, loaded with references to current Mormon scriptures and literature.  Sure enough, I opened up DC 132, and Gospel Essentials Exaltation Chapter - and BINGO Mormons believe the become GODS.

First lie.

The second lie was when I asked a Counselor to the Bishop, and he referred me to the King Follot Discourse, that a friend of Joseph Smith died, and Joe was giving the Eulogy and calmed the widow down by saying he would now become a GOD, that he transitioned after death, all Mormons will.

But this was just a "calm the widow" down talk - not a revelation.  That is the Mormon defense, and never in Sunday School is the topic discussed, although it is in black and white.

"We seek to answer any serious question by finding the most direct route to the Sacred Grove."

The most direct route to the Sacred Grove, which translates into accepting a date for baptism into the Mormon religion.

So Mormons will never answer the embarrassing questions.  In fact, Mormons love to refer certain individuals to their websites - as if an official Mormon website is any more honest than it's own living Missionaries and cult leaders.

Take time to read the entire Lying For The Lord article. 

It reveals why Mitt Romney must constantly lie.  Just like as a Missionary, say whatever it takes to place a Book of Mormon in the homes.  Now, say whatever a group of voters needs to hear to steal their votes.

Mormon Morality = The End Justifies The Means

Wednesday, April 4, 2012

Mormons Discredit Joseph Smith Inadvertantly When Attacking Writer

I am not a friend or coworker of Tricia Erickson, but in quoting this article on a different forum, one of Romney's Mormons came out and challenged Erickson's credibility due to a court case regarding a Modeling Agency.

So - let us assume that Ms. Erickson is lying - let us look at each paragraph to look at what and see if she is writing a novel, or presenting facts.

Then decide if her level if truthfulness is there.  I haven't googled her name, to be fair, but I THINK I remember Tricia Erickson being the daughter of a Mormon Bishop, and she has written negatively about the cult.

I would guess that is the reason the Romney Mormons want to discredit her so badly:

So in the wisdom of Fox News - you read, you decide.

To Miss Erickson and Christian News Today, I apologize for quoting the entire news article, but it is to show the accuracy of the reporting of Christian News Today, even if this was just a commentary, and not a journalist with Christian News Today.

Timothy Lee Unrine

A Mormon America, Brought To You By Mitt Romney: Christianity Today

A Mormon America, Brought To You By Mitt Romney

By Tricia Erickson, author of the book, “Can Mitt Romney Serve Two Masters?”, http://rwnetwork.net/Tricia_Erickson

If the GOP didn’t hurt us enough by propping John McCain up to be our 2008 nominee, handing us Barack Obama on a silver platter, now, by serving up this horrendous Romney Manchurian Candidate to be our next President, they are further promoting another party member, the “POM”, the “Party of Mormonism”.

This first paragraph is pure opinion, but you can't tell if she is a frustrated Republican or a disappointed Democrat.  "Horrendous Manchurian Candidate" definitely indicates she isn't a Romney fan, but by her comment "handing us Barack Obama on a silver platter" seems to indicate she isn't much of an Obama fan either.
We have seen the power of the Mormon voting bloc by way of Romney winning Arizona, Idaho, Nevada, Wyoming, Hawaii and Florida, and Utah will be a slam-dunk. We can expect that 90% of the 6 million US Mormons will vote for Romney. According to LDS statistics and church facts, the church currently has 52,483 missionaries on the ground, worldwide, bringing the undiscerning into the sect. With a fraction of this figure of missionaries in the US, hundreds join the church each day.

Statistics on how someone really votes in a voting booth don't exist, except for the tally for each candidate.  Those exit polls are unscientific at best - when I am pestered by an exit poll, I never tell someone how I really voted - so all those nice looking charts on Fox News, CBS, CNN and so forth - are just best guesses.

Data probably could be updated, number of missionaries is per a LDS report dated Dec 2009, wikipedia references the Statistical Report with those numbers.  The latest LDS Conference Report is probably posted by now, but I don't go and ask the devil for water.

90 percent of Mormons voting for Romney - again a guess, but since Democratic Mormons are a rarity, all my years in Northern Virginia, all I seen was Republican bumper stickers, but then my Stake Center was Orrin Hatch's ward, and my Bishop was a President of a Republican Think Tank.  But 90 percent, isn't a bad guess - which is what all the exit polls really are - guesses.

Just how committed is Mr. Romney to his Mormon faith? Mitt Romney was a graduate of Brigham Young University and a Mormon Missionary. He was promoted twice on his mission to Missionary Zone Leader and Assistant to the Mission President. Mitt also became a Mormon Bishop and later became a Stake President, presiding over a dozen Mormon Churches. You cannot get more Mormon than Mitt Romney.

OK, Erickson forgot to mention one of Romney's ancestors was an Apostle in the Mormon church, as well as fails to mention that his father was a Stake President.  Likewise, maybe she should have mentioned that several past and current prophets visited his father's house while he was growing up in Michigan.  But those only strengthen the statement.

All the other points are well documented even by Romney himself.

As President of the United States, Mitt will have less authority than that of the living prophet of his church. He is therefore, no matter his position as leader of this nation, subject to the Mormon infallible Prophet and his orders and mandates, even if those mandates are not in the best interest of our nation.

All Mormons sustain their President Thomas Monson as prophet, seer, and revelator - - even a school child will know that GOD outranks a prophet, prophets speak to GOD - - Romney as President make various oaths and promises to follow their prophets - no footnotes for exceptions.

Mormons will argue the oaths are symbolic, non-Mormons will have to decide if Romney has only symbolically taken an oath to obey the Constitution of the United States - - if Mormons "value" oaths so low as to say that oaths are only symbolic, they don't really mean anything.

Infallible prophets - Mormons have a great answer to this.  Mormon prophets are only PROPHETs when they place the Johnny Carson magic turban on, and hold an envelope to his head and state - THIS IS A REVELATION - - all other talks, writings, and memos from Thomas Monson are just the rants and ravings of an elderly Mormon - that prophet, seer, and revelator isn't a full time occupation - - like rain in Kuwait - maybe it will, usually it won't.

Mitt’s commitment to his church is eternal and extends far beyond his life here on earth. Mitt expects, in his next life, to become a literal “god”, equal to our God, and firmly believes he will receive his own kingdom for which he will call his wife, Ann, into in order to have relations to populate with spirit babies. This is not a joke. You can find this information in any Mormon doctrine on the subject. I reveal this to demonstrate the fact that Mitt must do exactly what the prophet of the Mormon Church tells him to do because his very eternal life, and rewards in his next life, depend on it.

The cult's own website has a pdf copy of it's current "Sunday School" Manual - Gospel Principles - Exaltation Chapter - deserving Mormons become GODS - not like a GOD, but a GOD. 

The cult's own scriptues, Doctrine and Covenants Article 132 - Mormons become GODS.

Several prophets have restated this principle - so for a Mormon to deny it as a truth of Mormonism, who have to wonder why they are embarrassed. It isn't a "left over" from Joseph Smith, it is in the Gospel Principles Manual that new recruits are even given.

Mormons used to blame Joe Smith, and his King Follet Discourse, it was convenient, that Joe was trying to give a funeral discourse for a friend, and to sooth the family, the dead Mormon was said he is in his own heaven, as his own GOD, so don't weep for him......it satisfied many, including new recruits whose family members asked about Mormons becoming GODS, like my mother did, and I was introduced to the King Follet Discourse, and said Mormons don't practice that - just don't Google the subject and prove it wrong.

In the secret Mormon Temple Ceremonies, Mitt and Ann have made symbolic blood oaths to follow the letter of the Mormon doctrine and the prophet and apostles of his church first. Mitt and Ann have sworn to the Law of Consecration, “to consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on earth and for the establishment of Zion”.What is “Zion”? A one world theocracy!


This is best covered in:  http://www.challengemin.org/temple.html

When you read the actual Temple Oaths, Romney and his Queen Ann took the original oaths, before they were "calmed down" once someone broke the vow of silence and the public read how bloody the oaths were.

The political machinery of the priesthood of the Mormon Church, named “The Kingdom of God” and “The Government of God”, was formed by the founder of the Mormon religion, infallible Prophet Joseph Smith. The goal of the Mormon Church through The Kingdom of God is to bring the United States Government under the rule of the (Mormon) priesthood.

The controversial White Horse Prophecy.  It is funny how the Mormons disclaim this as not being a prophecy, but it was quoted and referenced up until George Romney run for President in 1968.  The "Constitution hanging by a thread..." is referenced by multiple Mormons, including Sen Orrin Hatch, the Mormon of Utah who sits on this throne in the Judicially Committee in the Senate.
The White Horse Prophecy is what determined that Mormons would settle at the base of the Rocky Mountains.  This is interesting since the White Horse Prophecy was delivered in Nauvoo IL, well before Brigham Young set his sights on going somewhere WEST.

Embarrassing facts of Mormonism are put down by Mormons as urban legends, or Mormon-haters making up facts.  When it was convenient to believe in the White Horse Prophecy, Mormons believed - Orrin Hatch - even radical Mormon Glenn Beck - the Rush Limbaugh of the Mormon Party.
Prophet Brigham Young stated in the Mormon Journal of Discourses, volume 18: “No more or less than the complete overthrow of the nation, and not only of this nation, but the nations of Europe.”

Source is cited for all to read.  But again, Brigham Young didn't preface it with "The Lord God Says..." which turns Bigot Young into Spiderman for quoting Prophecy.

How many other American religions advocate the overthrow of the government and the tweeking of the United States Constitution.
Mormon President and Prophet John Taylor also explained in the Mormon Journal of Discourses, “The priesthood will be the only legitimate ruling power under the whole heavens; for every other power and influence will be subject to it. When the millennium is introduced, all potentates, powers, and authorities—every man, woman and child—will be in subjection to The Kingdom of God; they will be under the power and dominion of the priesthood of God”.

Plain and simple - source was cited - Romney has the priesthood, Monson holds the priesthood.  Every authority (President, Congress, Supreme Court, Governors - will be subject to the Kingdom of GOd under the power and dominion of the priesthood - Monson outranks Romney in the priesthood chain of command, Romney would have to obey all commands of Monson.

This agenda is further confirmed in Mormon Doctrine by Prophet Bruce McConkie, “During the Millennium the church will have the rule and government of the world given to it.”

Plain and simple again - source cited - quote given - Mormons will rule the world.

You Mormons say you are the ONLY TRUE church, so don't weasel out and say the church mentioned could be Catholics or Baptists - - it is Mormon - -

Mormons believe that the Mormon Church is the only true church and their main objective is to be ready when the time comes for the millennial reign of Jesus Christ by having their leaders ready to rule, or already in key places of authority and power. Their Mormon manifest destiny is to better serve their agenda by being able to rule and govern before the millennium actually takes place! The Mormon Church and its corporate empire, assets and resources are to be used as the chief element in the millennial overthrow of the United States Government.

We just covered most of these points above - Mormons believe GOD has designated them saviors of the world.

More important, the Mormon Prophet and Apostles will most assuredly be pulling the strings behind the scenes. You see, Mitt Romney’s priorities reach much further then this present life. If he does not obey the Church and its hierarchy, he will lose his exaltation to godhood and will not receive his own planet to lord over. While he will pretend to perform the duties of the office for himself, he absolutely has to accommodate the advice, counsel and wishes of his leaders. His very exaltation to godhood depends on it. And as a further result, the church will accelerate the spreading of this false gospel by laying the groundwork to rule, hand and hand, with Jesus Christ from the Mormon Garden of Eden, located in Jackson County Missouri as the Mormon Government of God.

Become a GOD, or be President for four or eight years?  That is Romney's choice.  He choses GOD, so he won't risk the higher reward, GODSHIP, over something as trivial as four/eight years in the White House.  He will be a good Mormon boy.  All the while waiting to be the next Apostle after to leaves office.  Cocky and bold is he.

Gospel Principles - Exaltation Chapter
DC 132 - - same source as listed above previously.
Through Mitt Romney, the Party of Mormon will finally, after struggling for authenticity for their patently false religion, become “main stream” to a fallen nation.

Mormons used to have their Missionaries train to answer the question about Mormons not being Christian.  Now the campaign is even more important, that they can't rely on the Missionary force of teenagers fresh from home.  Mormons need to be recognized as being legitimate Christians, to get Christians to vote for a Mormon would be easier if someone other than Mormons, would step up and say they are Christians.

Joel Osteen - a "pastor" or a motivational speaker, with turnstile collection stations to fill his stadium which fills his coffers, this "pastor" is one of the Feel Good Gospel preachers.  Say whatever they want to hear in the pews to make them feel GOOD, people don't TIP well into the collection plate if you give the fire and brimstone sermon.  So an endorsement from a "Christian" like Osteen, I'm not sure if you can call him a Christian preacher or just really a Christian Motivational Speaker.  He motivates people to empty their wallets and smile while they do it.

Billy Graham's son?  Billy Graham used to fill stadiums on a regular basis worldwide, lately his son doesn't have the Charisma, so when you lack charisma, you don't want to lose potential supporters by taking a position on a controversial subject - instead, sure - they have Christ in their name even, how much more Christian do you need to be?

The amount of money spent on advertising  to hoodwink people into believing that Mormons are Christians is enormous.  Propaganda costs money, keep repeating a lie and people will begin to believe you.

I will leave you with further evidence cited by Steven Stone of Renew America:

Steven Stone is a conservative blogger and author.  If he would have made up a quote, and not referenced it to a time period (Senate race in 1994), if he would have not used a name in the quote, (Judy Dushku, an Associate Professor of Government at Suffolk University), then it would be questionable, but since the source is still living, and hasn't asked for a retraction, it is reasonable to believe the statement is true.

“ *For a glimpse into the way Mitt and Mormon leaders have evidently collaborated in politics in the past, so we know what to expect in the future, consider the following excerpt from William Saletan's article "The Conversion."

It describes how Romney obtained the approval of the church's highest leadership to profess to be pro-choice in his 1994 U.S. Senate run in Massachusetts:
Romney [told the Brethren that, based on a poll,] if he didn't frame his position as pro-choice, he'd lose. Many of the church leaders were unhappy with Romney's formulation. But if they wanted him in the Senate, this was the best they were going to get.

[Upon returning to Boston,] Romney talked [with] Judy Dushku, a Mormon feminist, [who later said]:

"I went to his office and I congratulated him on taking a pro-choice position. And his response was Well they told me in Salt Lake City I could take this position, and in fact I probably had to in order to win in a liberal state like Massachusetts. ...I know that I have to take that position."

 Provided by our friend Tricia Erickson
 
The Mormons on the internet are trying to discredit Erickson over the Modeling Agency court case, but if that is the standard for truth, then Joseph Smith and all of his Mormonisms are false - since Joe Smith had numerous arrests for fraud, scams and other money-making schemes - including looking into a hat - throw in the rocks and translate the Book of Mormon - now we know.

Monday, April 2, 2012

Romney Asked Utah For Permission To Be A Pro-Choice Candidate To Get Votes

It has long been suspected that Romney and his Mormons would develop an image for Romney that makes him appear to look credible and vote worthy to more than just Mormons.  But to do this, meant that Romney had to temporarily abandon his religious positions to win these votes, and to avoid excommunication issues, he received the blessing of the Mormon cult elite leadership to fool the American voters.

Mormons are Pro-Life, against abortion, but the Pro-Choice lobby and it's voters have a huge impact on elections - so of course, Romney the Mormon pretends to be Pro-Choice to "steal" American votes - Mormon Morality.

Mormons are against homosexuals, same-sex marriages, and regularly excommunicate practicing homosexuals from their cult, including disfellowshipping them - shutting them off from family contacts.  But for Romney the Mormon to be more Gay-friendly in courting the LGBT vote, Romney and his Mormons are attempting to paint Romney as Pro-Gay - citing his position on gay marriage in Mass - - but was it to pave the way to the White House to appear Pro-Gay when he really wants them just sent to Evergreen for deprogramming to pray the gay away.

Christianity Today ran an article that exposes Romney and his Mormons as the Wolves in Sheep clothing that Mormons really are:


I will leave you with further evidence cited by Steven Stone of Renew America:
“ *For a glimpse into the way Mitt and Mormon leaders have evidently collaborated in politics in the past, so we know what to expect in the future, consider the following excerpt from William Saletan's article "The Conversion."

It describes how Romney obtained the approval of the church's highest leadership to profess to be pro-choice in his 1994 U.S. Senate run in Massachusetts:
Romney [told the Brethren that, based on a poll,] if he didn't frame his position as pro-choice, he'd lose. Many of the church leaders were unhappy with Romney's formulation. But if they wanted him in the Senate, this was the best they were going to get.

[Upon returning to Boston,] Romney talked [with] Judy Dushku, a Mormon feminist, [who later said]:

"I went to his office and I congratulated him on taking a pro-choice position. And his response was Well they told me in Salt Lake City I could take this position, and in fact I probably had to in order to win in a liberal state like Massachusetts. ...I know that I have to take that position."


Full Article In Christianity Today

Who is the real Mitt Romney, what policie will the real Mitt Romney take to the Oval Office and unwrap after stealing votes by deceit?

Christians can not in good conscience vote for any Mormon candidate for any office.

Mormon Morality is nothing but lies - say and do anything to get a Book of Mormon placed in every home, in every embassy, in every country - - a bad reputation will develop about Americans under a Romney Theocracy.