Tuesday, May 1, 2012

Mormon Myths About Homosexuals

Why do Mormons hate/fear homosexuals so much?

What do they fear about same-sex marriages?

Andrew Hendrickson, a Mormon from Annandale Virginia, made this comment on May 1, 2012 on http://renewamerica.com:

Near the end of message board conversation, I changed the talk to Mormons really need to clean up the sex assaults in their own churchs, before they go claiming same-sex marriages will be bad for our communities. Just a short quote that got Andrew started:

Starting with me:

Timothy Lee Unrine: Still stand by my statement - between the Catholic Church, and the Mormon Church, a New York Times investigation reveals that homophobia is really just denial of one's own homosexuality. Maybe this latent homosexuality being repressed is causing the outbreak of sexual abuse with the Mormon ranks by Bishops, Sunday School Teachers, an Apostle that was excommunicated, Missionaries.Andrew Responds:

Andrew Hendrickson · Works at Providence Newberg Hospital

Timothy Unrine Using your line of logic... 100% of men abusing boys are homosexuals. There is something not right in Gayville, we continue to read daily the assault of little boys who are sexually assaulted by gay men. And to have Timothy Unrine to dictate what is normal sexual activity, all one needs to do is read the sex crimes committed by gays to know all is not right in Gayville.

99% of underage males who were sexually molested/raped/assaulted were committed by homosexuals, compared to less then 1% by Mormons. You tell me where the problem truly lies.

Now I countered by challenging Mormon Andrew to provide a link from a legitimate source that backs up his numbers that 99% of underage males were molested by homosexuals.

Timothy Unrine · Top Commenter · Northern Virginia Community College

Andrew Hendrickson You need to check your facts - it is easy to spread lies from quotes from Mormon quote sheets - but unless you have links to back that up - your Mormon lies are revealed.

There are no reports. But it is easy to pretend there are.

Catholics were in denials that children were reporting problems with priests, then the Church took some actions and just moves priests to other churches, for fresh "meat" for their playtoys. Now they have an epidemic problem that earns them the Pedophile rating.

Mormons are fast approaching. If even one of five incidents were reported, and not covered up by the church, or hushed by embarrassement from the family, then Mormons are set to be the new Catholics - have I said all the Mormons men attacking children held the priesthood. Sounds Catholic.

No wonder you teamed up on Prop 8. Waiting for your link to that report on your false statistics - no BYU reports - they have adjusted stats for decades to tell the prophet what he wants to hear.


I am currently still waiting for a reply. But to show why he is wrong, and therefore Mormons are wrong.

The National Institutes of Health has a report, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1556756 , that shows that there are 11 heterosexual pedophiles for every one homosexual. The NIH drastically calls the Mormon figure of 99% into question, and begs to ask, what is Romney's motive for having his Mormons spreading lies on the internet to ignite anti-gay sentiment?

To be fair, several hours later, Andrew has returned with more false Mormon myths concerning homosexuals.  Here is the message board traffic:

Timothy Unrine That is because they have redefined some terminology plus if gays only make up 4% of the population. According to your figures above, homosexuals cause 9% of pedophiles which means that being homosexual causes one to be twice as likely to be a pedophile. I believe the math to be correct.

Andrew Hendrickson More Mormon lies - your 99 percent - you lie like Romney does. Mormons, no morals, just like Joseph Smith, a con man church. Pretty pathetic - - even the NIH is against your figures, even the SPLC, which only monitors and reports, it doesn't have a dog in the fight for same-sex marriage, excpet to prove what misinformed people bigot are, and they lies they repeat.

Even using BYU logic on the 11:1 ration of heterosexual to homosexual pedophile; YOUR Children are still more likely to be abused by a traditional Mormon defined sexual orientation, than by a homosexual.

That is why I don't give BYU degrees any credit, printed on toilet paper. But I am not here to convince Mormons; but the non-Mormons hearing the Mormon lies of Romneys.

Legitimate research, by NIH, a child is more likely to be abused by a heterosexual pedophile than a homosexual; more than ten times likely a man (heterosexual) married neighbor, would abuse someone's child.

Maybe you need statistics, if you scale up or down statistics, your population size must also increase, otherwise the sample isn't no longer valid.

If you were to increase the homosexuals to equal the heterosexuals, you have destroyed the integrity of the sample and the ration.

It isn't acceptable statistical analysis.

Now you can compare a population of 12 - where we get 11:1 in it's simplest form, and skew it up to a population of 1200, and get a ratio of 1100:100 - - but you just can't increase one side, to get the number you like.


I have read many reports from BYU that do just that, but they don't hold up to peer review outside of Mormon scholars.

First let us just start with a report on the Southern Poverty Law Center's website, the 10 Anti-Gay Myths Debunked: http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/winter/10-myths . Please go to the above link for a full explaination of the myth and the facts, I'll just include the ten myths, in interest of copyright respect. But the report is well written, and documented.

MYTH # 1
Gay people molest children at far higher rates than heterosexuals.

MYTH # 2
Same-sex parents harm children.

MYTH # 3
People become homosexual because they were sexually abused as children or there was a deficiency in sex-role modeling by their parents.

MYTH # 4
Gay people don't live nearly as long as heterosexuals.

MYTH # 5
Gay men controlled the Nazi Party and helped to orchestrate the Holocaust.

MYTH # 6
Hate crime laws will lead to the jailing of pastors who criticize homosexuality and the legalization of practices like bestiality and necrophilia.

MYTH # 7
Allowing gay people to serve openly would damage the armed forces.

MYTH # 8
Gay people are more prone to be mentally ill and to abuse drugs and alcohol.

MYTH # 9
No one is born gay.

MYTH # 10
Gay people can choose to leave homosexuality.


How many of these myths have been presented by Mormons over the internet? As Mormons push the Mormon White Horse Candidate Romney into the White House, so that he can lead the charge in a Constitutional Amendment to outlaw all same-sex marriages, and the rights that come with marriage. How many more myths will be repeated by Mormons to attack gays and cause the uninformed public to become anti-gay?

Adding a quote from http://www.youth-suicide.com/gay-bisexual/homosexuality-violence/10-sexual-abuse-boys.htm :

There are many people in our society who believe that gay men sexually abuse boys. In a recent Calgary Herald article, a psychiatrist mentioned that parents commonly manifest two myths when they discover their teenage son is gay. They fear that he will become a "drag queen," which is rooted in the myth that gays must be "like women," or they fear that he will "go around molesting small children" (32: 149)

As a rule, when people believe a lie about any hated group, it's because they were somehow taught the belief, but how have so many people been taught the belief that gay males sexually abuse boys? Martin (1988) noted the similarity of this belief to the one used by the Nazis to instill even more hatred for Jewish people. Hate is fear's dividend and people were made to fear Jews by teaching the myth that Jews were a threat to innocent German children and that they are "corrupters of children." They "even went so far as to accuse them of ritual murder of Christian babies."

The Nazis also "parroted the metaphor of the Jew as a virus or germ...," (55: 61-62) and we have had a similar perception of gay males in our culture. Teaching the lie that gay males sexually abuse children, however, involves much more than stating that the lie is true.

I like the above quote because it shows that hate is taught, and the hate is based on false beliefs.  Much like Andrew was mistaken and repeating the Mormon hate that 99% of all molested underage childred are molested by homosexuals.

The Sexual Abuse of Boys column continues to explain why we don't see good gay role models:

We live in a society where gay males in loving relationships have been forced into the closet. We never see them in visible loving relationships and, as a rule, such relationships will not be depicted in movies or on television programs. Not long ago, it was only acceptable to depict gay people as stereotypes, or as psychopaths or murderers, and most depictions of gay people in major 1991 movies were in this category. Historically, they were depicted as bad people who either killed themselves or were killed, and they were not to be depicted in loving relationships

Raymond Burr was a well respected actor, Perry Mason and Ironsides are his two well known accomplishments; but he was also a closet gay man.  In Hollywood it was for survival.  But all would say Raymond Burr was a good role model.

Rock Hudson, another Hollywood actors, whose sexuality wasn't revealed until around the time of his death.  Well respected.

But there are many more in the our own communities.  Sure, they aren't actors, but in our own neighborhood we have honest, hard working LGBT members living and working.  And contrary to Mormon Andrew, the first people that the police don't start rounding up after a sex crime against a child isn't homosexuals.  Most start with the registered sex offenders database.

Let me just add the 18 anti-gay hate groups as listed by the Southern Poverty Law Center. The SPLC doesn't really have a dog in the fight; it's roots began in the deep bigoted South, made a reputation for itself in it's legal (not physical) battles with the KKK, but it has learned to monitor all kinds of hate groups - by religion, by race, by sexual orientation, wherever bigotry can grow.

So when you see a report saying that homosexuals abuse more boys/girls that heterosexuals; check this list to make sure the name is not listed here. Please go to the SPLC link for a full report on each Hate Group: http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/winter/the-hard-liners

I included the full description of one of Mormon Romney's ten thousand dollar donations, the National Organization for Marriage, so you can read about Romney's group, and for ten thousand dollars of support, that shows agreement with it's policies.

Abiding Truth Ministries
Springfield, Mass.

American Family Association

Americans for Truth About Homosexuality

American Vision

Chalcedon Foundation
Vallecito, Calif.


Christian Anti-Defamation Commission
Vista, Calif.


Concerned Women for America
Washington, D.C
.

Coral Ridge Ministries
Fort Lauderdale, Fla.


Dove World Outreach Center
Gainesville, Fla.


Faithful Word Baptist Church
Tempe, Ariz.


Family Research Council
Washington, D.C.


Family Research Institute
Colorado Springs, Colo.


Heterosexuals Organized for a Moral Environment
Downers Grove, Ill.


Illinois Family Institute
Carol Stream, Ill.


Liberty Counsel
Orlando, Fla.


MassResistance

National Organization for Marriage
Princeton, N.J.


The National Organization for Marriage (NOM), which is dedicated to fighting same-sex marriage in state legislatures, was organized in 2007 by conservative syndicated columnist Maggie Gallagher and Princeton University politics professor Robert George. George is an influential Christian thinker who co-authored the 2009 "Manhattan Declaration," a manifesto developed after a New York meeting of conservative church leaders that "promises resistance to the point of civil disobedience against any legislation that might implicate their churches or charities in abortion, embryo-destructive research or same sex marriage."

NOM’s first public campaign was in 2008, supporting California’s Proposition 8, which sought to invalidate same-sex marriage in that state. It was widely mocked, including in a parody by satirist Stephen Colbert, for the "Gathering Storm" video ad it produced at the time. Set to somber music and a dark and stormy background, the ad had actors expressing fears that gay activism would "take away" their rights, change their lifestyle, and force homosexuality on their kids.

The group, whose president is now former executive director Brian Brown, has become considerably more sophisticated since then, emphasizing its respect for homosexuals. "Gays and Lesbians have a right to live as they choose," NOM says on its website, "[but] they don’t have the right to redefine marriage for all of us."

For a time, NOM’s name was used by a bus driver named Louis Marinelli, who drove a van for NOM’s "Summer for Marriage Tour" this year. Marinelli called himself a "NOM strategist" and sent out electronic messages under the NOM logo that repeated
falsehoods about homosexuals being pedophiles and gay men having extremely short lifespans. In homemade videos posted on his own YouTube page, he said same-sex marriage would lead to "prostitution, pedophilia and polygamy." But this July, NOM said it was not associated with Marinelli.

Traditional Values Coalition
Anaheim, Calif.


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